Episode 55: Our Body Talks: How to Listen using NLP with Jeremiah Rangel

I’m joined by Jeremiah Rangel for this episode. We break down how emotional patterns, trauma, and survival strategies get stored in the body, and how most people are unconsciously running their life from old programming they don’t even know they have.

About Jeremiah:

Jeremiah Rangel is a Master Life & Business Coach. For over 26 years he has successfully helped over 7000+ clients focused on connecting them to their internal guidance, Divine Connection and a deeper understanding of how their mind psychologically impacts health, wellness, and success in life. His specific skill set comes from an extensive background traveling the world to gather tools, techniques and strategies that profoundly help to heal chronic illness in a holistic way. When a person has tried everything to heal, but nothing has worked for them; that is when they find Jeremiah to do the deep inner spiritual & psychological work that rescues the younger parts that are demanding attention through physical ailments and are stuck in the past.

I’m joined by Jeremiah Rangel — master NLP practitioner, subconscious rewiring expert, and someone who deeply understands how the nervous system and belief systems shape our lived reality. We break down how emotional patterns, trauma, and survival strategies get stored in the body — and how most people are unconsciously running their life from old programming they don’t even know they have.

This episode bridges the nervous system with NLP, embodiment, subconscious work, and somatic healing in a way that’s grounded, real, and applicable.

What you will learn

• How the body stores emotional and subconscious patterns
• Why your nervous system might be driving your behavior (even when your brain disagrees)
• What NLP is and how it helps rewire limiting beliefs
• Why some people stay stuck in survival mode no matter how much they “try”
• How to spot when you're living from an old subconscious program
• Why regulation and safety are the foundation of real change
• How to create alignment between your body, mind, and future self
• Practical ways to start listening to what your body has been trying to tell you

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

00:21 Meet Jeremiah Wrangle: Master Life and Business Coach

02:50 Understanding NLP: Neurolinguistic Programming

03:51 The Evolution of NLP and Its Founders

07:10 The Importance of Communication in Therapy

19:05 Learning Styles and Effective Teaching

24:02 The Deeper Roots of Pain and Healing

40:16 Exploring Somatic Experiencing and EMDR

40:34 The Importance of Addressing Psychological Stuck Points

41:41 Healing Through Trauma Conferences and Retreats

42:37 Understanding Trauma and Personal Growth

43:42 Navigating Personal Challenges and Awakening

44:26 The Collective Shift and Lack of Resources

46:24 The Privilege and Responsibility of Living in America

55:22 Balancing Masculine and Feminine Energies

59:37 The Role of Divine Presence in Healing

01:05:27 Direct and Indirect Teachers in Life

01:06:19 The Power of Perspective in Overcoming Pain

01:07:44 Introducing the Program and Final Thoughts

You can learn more about Jeremiah here: https://courses.intraawareness.com

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Transcript

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Hello everyone. Welcome back to TMI talk with Dr. Mary. I'm your host, Dr. Mary. In this episode today, I am joined by Jeremiah Wrangle. We break down emotional patterns, trauma and survival strategies that get stored in the body, and how most people are unconsciously running their lives from old programming and they don't even know it. A little bit about Jeremiah. Jeremiah is a. Master life and business coach with over 26 years, he has successfully helped 7,000 clients connecting them to their internal guidance, divine connection, and deeper understanding of how their mind psychologically impacts health, wellness, and success in life. His specific S skillset comes from an extensive background of traveling the world to gather tools, techniques, and strategies that profoundly help to heal chronic illness in a holistic way. When a person has tried everything to heal, but nothing has worked for them, that's when they find Jeremiah to do the deep, inner, spiritual and psychological work that rescues the younger parts of themselves that are demanding attention through physical ailments that are stuck in the past. What you'll learn from this episode is pretty insightful. We're gonna be talking about how, um. The body stores emotional and subconscious patterns. While your nervous system might be the driver behind your behavior, even when your brain disagrees what NLP is and how it helps rewire limiting beliefs, why some people stay stuck in that survival mode. And it doesn't matter how hard they try, they still stay stuck in it. How to spot when somebody or yourself is living in living in a old subconscious programming. Why regulation and safety are the foundations of real change. How to create alignment between your body, mind, and future self. And finally, practical ways to start listening to what your body has been trying to tell you. Without further ado, we will jump into the next episode zone. Welcome back to TMI talk with Dr. Mary where we dive into non-traditional forms of health that were once labeled as taboo or dismissed as Woo. I'm your host, Dr. Mary. I'm an orthopedic and pelvic floor physical therapist who helps health. Movement and rehab professionals integrate whole body healing by blending the nervous system into traditional biomechanics to maximize patient outcomes. I use a non-traditional approach that has helped thousands of people address the deeper roots of health that often get overlooked in conventional western training. And now we are gonna be starting our next episode. Well thank you for being here, Jeremiah. I'm excited to chat with you. I'm excited to be here. Yeah, we're gonna nerd out on some. So a lot of different things. So excited about it. Absolutely. Yeah. So let's go ahead and dive right in. Can you explain what NLP is for people that have never heard of it before? Absolutely. So I'm gonna try to do it as succinct as possible. So, traditionally, NLP stands for neurolinguistic programming and so. Um, neuro is like the, the neurons of the brain, but basically like pretty much everybody's seen like scientific where they hook up like electrodes to the brain and they see if they have certain anger responses. There actually is like a pattern that fires like biologically. So through language and through communication, we actually can redirect like a pattern. If anybody gets triggered, so to speak, there's some sort of stimulus, someone says or does something, and then all these things happen and the person behaves in a specific way. So basically NLP neurolinguistic programming can reprogram the person's response. It's not exactly like, oh, we saw the trace go here and we're gonna move it there. It does actually go to a different place, but. Um, this started in like the late 1980s, but it's evolved since then to like neuro, when I started learning, it was called neurolinguistic psychology. Mm. Which is a group of, like psychologists, psychotherapists, went and studied this, I call it Generation one NLP, um, where they had no really psychological backgrounds. Two, two gentlemen. One was a, a mathematician. One was a professor of linguistics, the University of Santa Cruz. They basically nerded out. They got together and they said, um, they started to like study with three of the most profound, uh, psychologist psychotherapist in the world. And there was like Milton Erickson. He brought hypnotherapy to the mainstream. And he did it conversationally. It's not a classical hypnotherapy how people think like you're getting sleepy and Yeah, they could that, yeah, the little d Yeah, which is called authoritarian hypnotherapy, which is basically telling people, but the majority of people don't like being told what to do, so it doesn't really work well. Um, but he actually did it through conversation. It was more like it was permissive. He's like, you may or may not be experiencing a sense of relaxation now, but on a deeper level. So he would just kind of start speaking and people would transform. But he had a psychology background. So these two gentlemen went and actually they said, basically say, how do you get all these results with people? And he, Milton Anderson was like, I don't know. And they basically said, can we like sit in and document? And they said, sure. And then they did, and they came together. Were like, here's the patterns of what you did. Then they started to repeat the structure of patterns of what he did, and it started to produce results. I. Oh, wow. And they studied with two other people. One was Fritz Pearls who, uh, brought Geal therapy. So there's just different, like most people that are a psychologist psychotherapist, they, they go to college and they study from people who wrote a book or learned from other people. Well, the people that actually did produce results, that's who this NLP was studied after. And so there was just like, instead of putting labels on people, it's actually more helping people put the, take the labels that they already put on them. So that's where the NLP came from. And then where I learned it was from this group of psychologists and psychotherapists that went and studied this thing that's not technically psychology, even though psychology is a study of the mind. So it is psychology, and they learned from people who are getting tremendous results that were healing, upgrading, solving problems that a lot of people in psychology couldn't, or, uh, Western Medicine couldn't. And so they, these therapists learned from them and they said, okay, well, there's. It's these, on some level, I'm going high level, but these guys are kind of treated, it's more disconnected masculine energy. So they're just kind of like treating people. The mind is the most advanced supercomputer that ever existed, but they're treating people like computers, like just do this, this, this, this. So these therapists and psychologists like said, we're gonna put some traditional psychological principles. Not the labeling, the diagnosing, but like the hierarchy of needs is really, really important. There's just certain fundamental things with psychology. The difference between the unconscious and conscious mind, those are really important to know. So they started to add. It created humanistic neurolinguistic psychology, which is these transformational tools and techniques that came from psychologists and then they added some other things. So it's more soft, a little bit more heart-based. I love that because I feel like in western medicine so much is telling people what to do. Yeah. Versus having a conversation and getting them to almost realize versus,'cause you, like I said, I don't know anybody that's actually likes to be told what to do, you know? Yeah. I mean, if you tell somebody what to do, at least in my experience, they just kind of like, you know, resist. Resist. Yeah. And also in the way you say it too, you know, people can ask for advice and guidance that's different. But where I have actually seen from a physical therapy standpoint, people don't do their home exercises. Like they just don't do them. And, and, but yet we keep prescribing them, like across the board as if. That's it. And then we're not questioning, well, why aren't they doing them? Like this isn't just, I can tell you why. Well, yeah, I'd love to jump in there for a second. Um, but yeah, so it's, so then I started realizing in my experience, and I'd love to hear what you have to say about it mm-hmm. Is if we have to teach the people about the body first and explain to them so they can visualize why it's happening, so then they're likely to do it. Mm-hmm. Because there's some, some mechanical, some mental block that's limiting them. And I'm excited to hear what you have to say, but in my experience, if I teach somebody about their body and show them how to move and have them really feel it in their body, that is what takes'em to the next level. Mm-hmm. Not these thoracic rotation exercises three times a day. Mm-hmm. Forever. Right. Because I've, I've never seen anybody continuously do them forever, but when you teach them movement and you teach them how to be in their body, that's been a game changer. But I'd love to hear what, why you. Why you see people not doing their exercises. So if you think of a, per the general population, so most people, they walk around, um, and they're not injured, so to speak. And so what I've learned from years of being a corrective exercise core specialist, like I, I've put movement down into, there's five different categories. So there's the lowest one's called occupational therapy. Somebody gets in a huge like car accident wreck, you know, quadriplegic, try to have the brain through the nervous system, try to like get the toes to moving. So basically it's like you gotta learn how to essentially learn how to walk again. Then there's physical therapy, which is the next level up, which is not the whole body or half the body, it's isolated. It could be a knee, it could be a shoulder, it could be, you know, it's just, I'm just, you know, speaking generalizations, but it's more isolated. Where it's kind of like if, if occupational therapy is like, kind of in a way, the whole body or just a lot of, most of the body, this is more like this knee, which is, or this hip, which is a really big deal. Um, then the next level up from that is what's, what I did was corrective exercise. So basically you, you don't need physical therapy or you're on the board or a physical therapy, but you need to, like, certain muscles are overworking, so they're short and tight. Other muscles, the opposite of the muscle is long and weak, so we gotta correct that. Once they do that, then it's called functional training. She has multiple joint movements, and then there's like peak performance, like CrossFit and stuff like that. So the general people, they don't, it's not taught in school. Oh yeah. Not if there's a gym class, climb a rope or whatever. Do jumping jacks. But so most people from a psychological standpoint, they don't have the file in their mind, if you like, just like a phone. They don't have the app on their phone. So if a general physical therapist, so there's person comes in, I have this injury, I don't know what to do. I am debilitated at some point, but I do need help. Okay. So they make the appointment, they come in, and then if the, the physical therapist has these technological, uh, anatomical words that the person has a file for it, they don't fully understand, like posterior, like anterior pelvic tail, like, you know, like quadratic limb. I'm like all these different things. Like what? And so the more the physical therapist has words that they don't understand, they're, they're, they don't have that file for it. That's one thing. Like from a comprehension level, the other one is. People need attention. Like people don't realize there's three different kinds of attention in life. There's positive attention, which everybody ideally loves, but not most people don't know how to get it. Then there's negative attention, which is better than no attention. Most people, like they would rather get negative attention than no attention. So when there's an injury, and sometimes from a spiritual or an emotional level, the reason why people get injured is they actually need to pay attention, but they can't solve it for themselves. So they're hoping to get a practitioner or whoever they're helping to actually pay attention to them now, if I, if I injure my knee and the universe brings us together and you actually give me attention, that's great. It's actually gonna start not only healing this, but there's a deeper emotional part too. But if you say words, I don't understand, okay. That start, that's gonna, that lowers my retention. And then if you're like saying, let's do an anterior pelvic til, like, I didn't know what that was before I knew what it was. But if, so, I want you to like, you know, lay on this bed and then I want you, I'm gonna put my hand on your low back. And I want you just to squeeze, I want you to flatten out. Try to like crush my fingers. So say words that are simple, like don't, like, don't talk to. When I talk to children, I don't talk to'em like, Hey, little guy. Hey little buddy. And even if it's a baby, I just, I mean, if it's a real baby, that's fine. But like a 2-year-old, I don't talk to two year olds, like two year, like how most people talk to two year olds. I talk to'em like a being that's two years old and I speak words that they can understand. And so I don't like, I'm gonna simplify. I don't like put a, like a limited frame on it. Well, I did that with my clients too. It's like, I know these technical things. If I'm talking to MDs, if I'm talking to physical therapists, I'm gonna use the language like, we're gonna, you're getting a rapport. I'm not gonna do it with my clients unless they ask. I don't give technical things unless my clients ask for that. What's, what's the technical word? What does this muscle do? Where's the insertion? Where's the origin? Like they don't really care. They want the results. So I try to simplify it. Use metaphors, visualization. That's what gets people to anchor it in their mind. Then they can do it. I love because I love the way you articulated it.'cause I, I feel like,'cause I. I've noticed in the past few years as I've started more, not just focusing just on home exercises. Yes, they can do these stretches to do things to get in their body, but teaching them how to move and understand the why I feel has been such a game changer. And then yeah, but it's not taught in school how to break stuff down. So it's also hard for maybe a new grad to come out and they're just trying to figure out how to even, you know, just be a physical therapist. Mm-hmm. Now you've got two languages to speak. Yep. And if you've, if you're only used to speaking English Yep. Right. Your, your linguistic brain isn't typically used to having to break it up into two different things. And so I think, I think what it does is it causes, what I've seen is almost causes a rift because you know, your bo if your body language is off, if the tone of your voice and then what you're saying too. Right. So I think energetically we don't even realize that we're actually ruin. Causing a lack of rapport when we're doing this. Yeah. And you know why, why? Well, because you're taught, like, as a physical therapist, you're taught like anatomical things and you're not taught how to translate that to normal people. Yeah, exactly. I can say and talk to you about NLP, I can talk to you about what a driver is, what a, well, I was gonna start to speak some neuromuscular adaptation, but that's not it. But I was gonna say, like, I can talk to you what a driver is, what a submodality is, what a transderivational search is, and you're gonna be like, huh. Yeah. Because you haven't learned that. And it, there's something that's strange in the collective consciousness of adults where they feel it's usually around like 35 or something. But when adults get to a certain age, they think like, I'm at this age. Why haven't I learned it yet? Why haven't I learned some this yet? Why, why don't I know that? And I, I say, how can you learn anything you have not yet learned? Like, you haven't gone through that yet, so I can say words that you've never heard. It would break rapport. Yeah, exactly. There's so much about how our energy is. I, I say, I say, I've been saying this a lot, it's just how our energies are first treatment. Because if we break rapport immediately and we're using these big fancy words, well, how much of that is A, that we're not taught? But B, how much is ego being like, look at me with these big words. Yeah. Um, and then C, it's like, that doesn't stick. And I'm, I'm not gonna lie, like I, my brain works in a different way. I actually don't like to use the big words first, even when I'm learning. You know? I don't know if that's just how I am. Mm-hmm. Or being a DHD, I feel like a lot of PTs tend to be a DHD too. And I like to learn the concept first. Mm-hmm. And then let's add those big words later, even from a. Like a professional standpoint. I'm like, yeah, let's break it down. Okay. Well, I mean, yeah, some basic terms, but if we're using, if you're constantly like using these big terminologies with people, even while they're learning something new, as a clinician, that doesn't mean that clinician's not smart. I thought that about me for a long time'cause I was like, I don't get these big concepts. But then once I had'em broken down mm-hmm. You know, sometimes I'll even go on to chat GPT and be like, explain this like I'm five. Yeah. And it, and it gives me the metaphors. Then I'm like, oh, okay. Now I can add the big words and I can start understanding it much better. But I feel like there's just so much of miscommunication just because when we talk with people in their industries, you know, and you see this in in the way, you can even see it on social media when PTs are like explaining exercises. I'm like, you have to use metaphors like you're saying. Mm-hmm. We have to use, teach them about their bodies so they can understand it or feel it in their bodies. One of my favorite things to do is kinda show. Patients like, okay, well why is standing upright helpful? And then I will have them just go ahead and bring their ribs over their, well, before they do anything, I push on their shoulders and I push down. I'm like, what do you feel with that? Do you feel strong? And they're like, no, it feels like a give. And then I have them stack their ribs over their pelvis and get a little bit more thoracic extension.'cause most people are kind of rounded like this. Mm-hmm. And I push down and they're like, oh my gosh. Wow. Like, you know, rounded not kyphotic. Yeah. Yeah. Because like, what's that mean? Yeah, exactly. Exactly, exactly. Yeah. Rounded. So, so they're, they're more, um, up and then they could feel that in their body. Then they're like, oh, that makes sense. And I say, you know, just notice it. Mm-hmm. Sometimes you don't even have to do anything. I just want you to start noticing what your body's doing. So yeah, just getting them to. Notice it.'cause that's the buy-in right there, you know? And'cause I, I, I sat and started thinking, I'm like, what about,'cause when I first started as a pt, I, I couldn't keep clients. I didn't know how we, I didn't, wasn't taught on how to speak to people. Mm-hmm. And so I was also in like a very uncomfortable situation. It was my first job and I was a new grad and I was asked to treat like four people at the same time that I had never met. Wow. And I had to quit that job pretty rapidly'cause I, I did not feel comfortable. So then that kind of traumatized me for the next job. So I really had to dive into this and be like, how do I, how do I do this? How do I learn? And honestly, I don't remember exactly when or what I just knew. I told myself, I said, I'm gonna be a good public speaker even though I hated public speaking and I'm gonna have such good rapport with, with people that I meet and I'm gonna be able to talk to everybody. But I don't know how to do that yet. Yeah. But I am going to do it. And it's just funny'cause. That, just knowing that in your brain and saying that to yourself and it just, it changes everything. Mm-hmm. And that's like what's, oh, interesting.'cause you go to school, like PT school to learn like how to do these things. You don't learn how to school. Most colleges, they don't teach how to be good teachers. And to be a great leader or a great ex, whatever profession it is, you have to be a great leader and you have to have great communication skills. But what I learned in school, or actually I learned from my, started doing my coaching training, it was an international coaching school. Um, I was 24 years old and I was surrounded by, there was like 16 students. It was a 14 month program. It was like the neuro-linguistic psychology, the beginner advanced, there was hypnotherapy, beginner advanced, and certain like coaching principles was a whole like therapeutic coaching program. And half the students, eight students had their PhD or masters or PhDs in psychology. And I'm like, I haven't even had taken maybe like a semester in psychology at the time. I was actually going through it at the same time. Mm-hmm. And I asked'em like, why are you like, with all due respect, like why are you guys here? You have these. Degrees of things on the wall. They said, Jeremiah, they don't teach you how to get to the root cause of the client and actually what to do when you get there. They teach, they teach us Freudian theory, young in theory, all this stuff. And they basically said, you'll find your way, but they don't actually teach that. And then so I, I was like, they said I was at at Advantage. I'm like, okay, I trust you. And, and now looking back, I was, but I went through this training and I found out that they don't teach how to learn in school. Oh yeah. School doesn't teach how to learn. They say do this and repeat. But actually, like what I've learned in my training, there's actually like five different levels of learning. There's like, it's called unconscious incompetence. Like you don't know what you don't know. Mm-hmm. Which means you don't have a file for it in your mind. I can say like to the average person, transverse adom. What? Like scaling's What? They don't know what that is because it's not anchor. They haven't learned it. So everybody goes through this, this, this learning. You don't know what you don't know. The second level is conscious incompetence. Now you're aware that you didn't know this. So that's like, it's still ignorant, like it's ignorance. Now you have awareness, but you're not good at it. You have zero repetitions, so whether it's speaking and you fill in the blank, pt, anything, communication, then there's things called conscious competence, which is practice. That's X amount of repetitions. If you do it X, whatever the skill is, X amount of times it'll become automatic. We don't know what that is. Could be tying your shoes. It could be doing brain surgery. There's X amount of repetitions where the, it just becomes a habit, a pattern, unconscious competence. You can just do it without thinking. Then there's conscious unconscious competence. Basically you can teach it to other people. So that's not a taught in school. And then also, people are more visual auditoria or kinesthetic dominant learners. And the majority of women on the planet, not all majority of women, or more than 50% of women on the planet are visual dominant learners. The majority of men, not all, but more than 50% of men are kinesthetic dominant learners. Visual dominant learners like to see things with their eyes or get a picture in their mind before they understand visual dominant learners. They're quicker learners, not necessarily deeper. They could be quick to understand or quick to judge. That could be like a positive or negative kinesthetic dominant learners is we like to, we have to actually, I'm a more kinesthetic dominant learner, so. I have to actually experience it. I have to actually get a feel for it, which most PTs are and most. Mm-hmm. Like personal trainers, massage therapists, more people that do the body work, they're more kinesthetic dominant learners. The issue that they don't teach in school is that, and this just happens all the time, is whatever your dominant learning track is naturally, that's what you're gonna give to other people. So if you're a visual, you're gonna say things, visual predicates, you're gonna like show people, and this goes to relationship love. Language is like love. It's like I'm showing you I love you. It's like, but I don't feel it. I love that. And they miss the mark, whether it's a love language or communication track. So school doesn't teach how to be great learners, whether it's college and this and that, or how to learn. So. When PT is like, we actually teach people how to do that and actually how to do it for themselves and then for their clients is, you gotta understand what's your dominant learning track too, but then who you're talking to and you have to deliver it in a way that works for them. If you don't, it, it might not go. It's where you hear like, a lot of men and women relationships are issues because the majority of women are visual dominant learners. Like, I'm not seeing you love me. And it's like, what do you mean I'm doing all these things for you? Yeah, they do, they do a lot of the primal things like, look, I, I'm, I did stuff around the house, like I fixed the gate, the fence. It's like, and then the woman's like, but I want to be touched or talked to. Mm-hmm. Or attention. And, and like, it's like, and both of them you're speaking are underdeveloped. Yeah. And they're, they're in love, but they don't know how to, not on the same page to speak. Mm-hmm. And it's so. So it all comes down to relationships. Yeah. It all comes down to communication. It all comes down to understanding the mind, how people like, how you learn, how they learn, how people work. Then it's so easy. I. Yeah. And then that's the basis of doing the deeper healing and the deeper things that other people can't figure out are a thousand teepees teepees, PTs work with this one person and it doesn't work. And you could be the difference maker by actually getting to the root of it. Because the majority of 80 people, we talked about this before, 80% of physical issues or dis-ease is not physically rooted. It's physically manifesting, either comes from the psychological, which is deeper than the physical or the spiritual or emotional, which is deeper than the psychological. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's interesting because in our clinic, you know, I've noticed things like, we'll, we'll, we'll get referrals from people and be like, sometimes we're like their third, fourth pt. And you know, and I don't like it from an ego perspective, like from an ego perspective, it's like, oh, okay. But it's, it's, it's not about the ego for me, it's about what is going on. Yeah. Again, how am I different? I'm not doing rocket science. Like I'm literally just doing, I'm, I'm like looking at it from like all angles. I'm looking at this person as a human being with like a, a mind, body and soul. I'm talking to this person and letting them be a part of the conversation. So evidence-based medicine is the patient, the practitioner's experience and research, and we're missing that. I mean, we're not practicing evidence-based if we're not including the patient in it or the client. And then also I, I didn't fall into like the stereotypical be so professional type thing. I feel like the perf like that almost put like a a guard up wall. Yeah, a wall up where you can't, you can't be a certain way, you can't be yourself because that's unprofessional. And I've always been silly and playful. Um, and so. It. I mean, obviously it depends. And I, I try to meet the patient where they're at, like, and I meet their tone kind of naturally. Like if they come in and they're like, talking like this, and I come in and I'm like, Hey, like, da da, da da. And they're like, they're still like this. They're, yeah, they, they don't know why. They probably don't know why, but I know that I've already lost, I've lost that rapport right there. And so, you know, I learned earlier in my career some of these skills mm-hmm. That were never taught. And um, and then I started, became fascinated with them and just started studying them and, and just becoming obsessed. And, and I realized like. So much of what we do in our clinic is we're meeting the patient, where they're at, the client, where they're at. We're talking to them, they're a part of the conversation, and we're teaching them about their bodies and focusing on empowering. And if somebody's not getting better the typical way, like the PT world or like any healthcare practitioner in general, um, it tends to be like, if we don't do this work, then our egos hit. And then it's like, if, if I'm not a good physical therapist, then I'm not a good person. I think there's like a direct identity, identity issue. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. You cannot. Get somebody better and still be a good pt. Mm-hmm. Because it also depends on, first of all, maybe it's your communication. Maybe that patient's not ready to actually let, let go, let go and get better. Maybe they just wanna be told what to do. And the people that wanna be told what to do from a patient standpoint, they don't get better because they don't wanna learn. They just wanna be told they might get better for a little bit, but it's until they wanna take the time to go in and deeper. So that has nothing to do with the clinician's experience. I can be the best physical therapist in the world, but if somebody doesn't wanna listen and their heart's blocked off and their brain's blocked off, I'm, I can't, I can't help them. And it goes back to the three things I said. There's positive, negative, and no attention. Sometimes let's just, let's not talk about the people who get better. Let's talk about the people who don't get better. The majority of time, if the PT doesn't matter, if it's chiropractor, pt, doctor, you name the profession. If they can't. You ever seen like Indiana Jones, where I think it was like some sort of skull. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like whatever that's called. And he took like the bag of whatever coins of rocks and he had to switch it really quick. So the thing doesn't, you know, it didn't like blow up or whatever. It was like, it was like at a timer. He had to like, oh,'cause so if he lifted up the skull, it would do an alarm. Yeah. Okay. And he had to keep the weight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well it's kind of like that. It's like if you're coming to me, if I'm the PT and you have some sort of issue and you kind of put your hands out like this for a second, so, so you're, you're, you're coming with your pain, right? Yeah. But it's like, Hey, I'm gonna take your pain away and you go like this because you're actually unconsciously not gonna do that because your pain has giving you attention. Even if it's negative attention. Even if we're here and you're in pain, I'm touching you still, I'm actually caring for you. Now if you get rid of that, where else are you gonna get that in your life? So the issue with the PTs or the people is that I. You have to, there's a, the technique, it's called a six step reframe that we teach to our students or professionals. But basically there's a higher positive intention behind every behavior A human has everything. So, like, for example, like injury, um, some people get injured over and over and over again. Like why? Why do people get in car accidents over and over and over again? Why do people get in bad relationships over and over? Why do people repeat these things and other people don't? Well, somewhere wired within their brain or their mind is like, they actually get attention from it's negative attention and they'll fight with like a death grip. Like, I'm not gonna let go of this. Unless I have alternative ways to get actually positive attention. So if the PT doesn't know how to do that, which they don't teach that, and so you have to go outside of your scope to be able to do this, you actually can talk to the person and find out like what is the deeper meaning, what's the higher positive intention behind this pain? Pain is the body's check engine light, like in a car has check engine light. It's, it means pay attention to the degree. We as human beings do not pay attention. We will pay with pain. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And so not wisdom, but it's exactly, but it's not just like if your knee is having an issue, it's like there's no amount of massage and this and this, that will help necessarily. So it's like, okay, cool, I can put my hand on your knee, but like what's the emotion that's coming up behind it? Mm-hmm. Where is that coming from? How long have you had this in your life? So the emotion that's not getting dealt with manifests in the pain. Yeah. And it goes even beyond that. This isn't woo woo or whatever. Anybody has knee issues. They're either, they're being slowed down, but they're generally running away from something. If they have like hand issues, they're like not, they're holding on too tight or they're not holding on something enough. They have back issues at something from their past and so like, it's not just a spiritual concept, psychological concept. This is true. But then we have to do the research to be able to find it, but the people won't let go. People that aren't getting better, it's because they're not letting go of the, the attention that they're getting. So a technique that we do is we actually find what is the higher positive tension behind the behavior? What are other behaviors that they can do to get the same need? Mm-hmm. And then once they do that, like in the end, they'll let it go. Mm-hmm. That's when pain can happen very quickly, or, I mean, healing can happen very, very quickly, but like, I I, I do believe you know, that pain and emotion are highly correlated, right? So if somebody's coming in and like for me, I had chronic neck pain for years and years and years and kept doing all the latest and greatest PT stuff. And it wasn't until I started speaking my truth'cause I was holding back and not having boundaries and just, you know, giving away my energy. And once I started noticing that I stopped and it wouldn't help the active flareups. So this is, I think this is something that there's a lot of, I think, confusion around with. I've, I've had patients that were told like, oh, just release this emotion, but then they're not taught how to do it. Yeah. How, that's what, so how, so then they feel gaslit and, but they're still in physical pain. So I like to just say like, Hey, we're still treating, it's, we're mind, body, soul. So you treat the emotion and the soul, but you still, there's the physical body too.'cause I know if I'm in an active flare, I know what it's from and I know I need to work on it. But we still work on the physical body. But I think PTs still work on the physical body, but we need to start understanding, hey, what is like this whole other aspect, right? Mm-hmm. That we need to be paying attention to. But I think kind of what you're saying is sometimes people don't have the skillset to know how to release that. It's a different conscious level. Yes. And And that's a whole other skill set. And so if the practitioner doesn't have that skillset, but they're saying that, then you're almost like shitting on them and then being like, why do you smell like shit? You know? It's telling homeless people get a job. Yeah, yeah. Like yell it at homeless people. You drive out, why don't you get a job? Why don't you contribute to society? Clearly something's going on. Yeah. That's showing, it's the same thing. It's like, that's what I'm saying, differentiating the what and the how. Yeah. Like in my whole life we talked about not being told what? Like not being like, like told what to do or whatever. My whole life, if somebody asks me something or give me feedback like, cool, cool beans, how do I do that? Yeah. I don't know. What would be the purpose of telling me to do this thing? If you don't know how to do this, what, what value is that? They're like, oh, I don't know. Well, maybe you should, maybe you need to understand this yourself. Yeah. First before you teach it to others. Kinda what you're saying, like teaching is a whole other level of understanding something. Mm-hmm. I mean, you can know it, but then to put it in words and to articulate it to other people, you have to know it. Know it. And so that's a big thing I've seen happen in the, in the medical world is people are gaslit, they call it gaslighting'cause they're just like, well, I'm told it's in my head, but I still have physical symptoms. Right. They're still physical ailments. Mm-hmm. That, you know, like certain things that people experience, like we know this with certain diseases or, um, impairments like endometriosis, like we we're just now barely scratching the surface and understanding it. And it's a predominantly in. In women or people that have uterus or vaginas, and you don't even have to have a uterus too. Mm-hmm. Now we're learning. And so, but there's these things that people are almost predisposed to. Mm-hmm. And are the way we think and the way we talk and our emotions can almost like crack that open. Mm-hmm. Like epigenetics basically. Right. So like you have this genetic factor, but the environment, how we speak to ourselves, our emotions, our spiritual self. Like if all of that is, if we're just constant, constant dysregulation from a physiological standpoint, we don't have homeostasis in our body mm-hmm. And we don't have homeostasis, then okay, we're gonna crack open those maybe genetic factors that wouldn't have been cracked open before. Mm-hmm. If we weren't looking at our environments. Mm-hmm. And you said something really interesting earlier about flareups and like where a PT might, like, they might not be able to have an answer. Like if the client says, why do I have this flare up? And they might be like, I don't know. It's just like that. Let's treat it right now. That's where I like, I can tell you exactly why you have a flare up. The physical flare, literally pain is a flare gun. Mm-hmm. But the question isn't like when people, most people, how the mind works and really more the ego. The ego wants to move away from pain towards pleasure. So when people are in pain, I need a medication. Like, I need you to come to get me outta pain. That's the opposite of what I do. So we actually go into the pain it, and it's the miraculously, mysteriously, coincidentally, when you actually go into it it actually goes down because the pain is only a flare gun. It's a, it's a flare. That's all it is. A flare up is, but the more important question, who's sending it, it's not the physical body. It's coming out. It's not starting it. Unless you stub your toe or hit it, then that's the only kind of thing, whether that's not the pain we're talking about, but who is sending the flare? And I can always tell, it's like, okay, for chronic pain like this, or pain that's been for an extended period of time, there's emotions anchored to it or emotions. Oh yeah. Yeah. So that's, we're getting closer to it, but there's also, beyond that, there's a location of the emotion. So there's something that happened in the. Patient or client's past, they didn't have the ability to fully experience something. So then they psychologically and spiritually separated from themself and the body that you're working with, whatever age, day and time, that's not where the problem's coming from. Like the, the person is coming and they're, they're resourceful and they're helping out, but it's actually coming from this part. That's what's sending the flare. Mm-hmm. And it, those flares can actually permanently go away. If you permanently meet the needs of this part, release what it need, doesn't need to have, learn this deeper spiritual lesson, bring it to the present moment, integrate it, grow it up instantly, miraculously, coincidentally, no more flares the rest of the life that's permanently connected. I say that in no more flares, but other, if that actually works, sometimes other parts will use the same doorbell, the same flare. It's like. If that worked for that, help me out too.'cause we have multiple parts. We have so many parts, um, of ourselves that we psychologically, spiritually, separate from ourselves. Anytime you don't have the ability to process it. So no, not, not one human being's ever born with an ego. And people don't talk like this and think about this, but if you, if I say it makes sense, nobody's born with an ego. What babies do, and really like one year old's really long children, if they hit their head, fall down, go boom. If they are too hot, too cold and too wet, um, they need to get held, they cry. And what happens is the body's nervous system fully experiences and fully process it. So there's no carryover. We see it intro, then they fall and they hit their head and then you, okay, I love you. You're good. Okay. And then they go and yeah, like nothing happened. Yeah. But they experience it. Yeah. Where do adults go cry like that. And they hold things in and passive aggressive and all that. So at certain points, so the ego enters everybody generally around the age of two. So that's what they call it, the terrible twos. It could go a little bit sooner, a little bit later, but the ego starts around two. Nobody's born with an ego, actually. And then once there's an ego, the person now has the ability to resist or reject. There's like, now there's, instead of hurt happening, now it's, I'm hurt or you hurt me. Um, and then if the, the child doesn't have the ability to fully experience it, which children don't, but if there's an ego now they can resist. But if their environment, if their parents are like, suck it up, big girls don't cry, or whatever they, whatever they say, or just like, you're fine. And they don't like what a child, what a parent actually is supposed to do. Parent can only do this if they can do it themselves. If a child's having an issue, the parent's supposed to get down on their level, like on their knees or whatever. Let's say it's a 2-year-old. Put one hand on the front, on the heart center, put between the rum blades, between the shoulder blades, put one hand on the back of the, of the heart center. Relax and breathe with them. Like if they're breathing, breathe a little bit more and say, you're okay. We're gonna fully experience this and process this together. The issue is the parent has to, gets to, has to feel what the child's feeling too. If the parent didn't do this for themselves when they were younger,'cause their parents didn't do it for them, they don't know how. But you can go outside your ancestral lineage and learn it from someone like myself, like the whole apple isn't far, far from the tree. Go to a banana orchard, go to a peach orchard. There's your family's not gonna have all your answers. Your school's not gonna have all your answers. Your life experience is not gonna have all your answers. You need to, we need each other. So that's what a parent's supposed to do, is to help them fully experience that. Once they do, there's no carryover. There's no part. Mm-hmm. They learn the lesson, they become resourceful. That I can hold space for myself. I can actually, I can actually feel it to heal it. But we don't do that, so we, anytime we don't, any human being doesn't fully experience and experience, there's a separation. The longer it gets, it's going to come up and communicate. It seems like trigger, or the words you used was where it just kind of comes up, you said like, Hmm, like a flare? Yeah. Triggers or it flares up. Yeah. You get flareups or it gets triggered or out of nowhere. You know, people regress. Most people the. They think that they are the age that they are, but then why do they act like four year olds or 17 year olds with this? Oh, like G Mate says this a lot where like, you know, people, he's like, if you're, if you see somebody throwing a fit in his adult, you're seeing a child run throwing a fit. Mm-hmm. You're not actually seeing the adult. Mm-hmm. It's the child inside them that's throwing the fit and they need to work to heal that. Which, how are they gonna do that? Yeah. Where are they gonna go? Exactly. That's what we do. Yeah. But it's not common. But it's, but yeah, but I mean, if they don't know that, like that's not common, like common knowledge. I mean, there's somatic experiencing too, where people can learn how to, that's Peter Levine's work of like moving through the emotion. Mm-hmm. Sometimes they don't even use words or anything. It's just getting the body to feel it. But then, which may or may not work and EMDR may or may not work. Mm-hmm. And some of the things may or may not work. Unless you actually, the part actually is stuck psychologically. Like if, if, if you, there was a problem coming up for you that you were having and we were to do this like right now, and I actually ask you questions and find out where in space and time it's from, it's the part still needs to come to 2025 in this, in this present moment, get resources.'cause you've learned some things between what happened and where you are now. Mm-hmm. You've learned a lot, but there's no communication. This part's separated from you, separated from the divine, from all the resources you've learned. So if you actually could isolate, we isolate this problem, this part that's having a problem, what it needs, what it's lacking. If you can actually give it to it or ask your higher consciousness to give it to it instantly it gets freed. But it's, that's like half the equation. You need to also like give it a hug. Yeah. And then healing happens because the only reason. It's so interesting because like whatever pain or emotions that were happening at the time, that's what gets triggered. Well, I also like when I get, when I get triggered, you know, well, I wanted to dive in a little bit too. I've been to like trauma healing conferences or um, events or retreats. And what found really fascinating there is there's two types of people, generally speaking, there's the people that actually want to heal and there's the people that just wanna talk about their stories over and over and over. Yep. Because they get negative attention. Yeah. And, and that was something where it wasn't regulated, so they were dominating the, the retreat and it ruined the, it was maybe not ruined, but it really negatively affected the people that were there to truly heal. Mm-hmm.'cause they just wanted to be heard. And so there was no regulation on that. And, and that is something where if I, in the future when I do retreats and stuff, it's like, no, we are. Nipping that in the bud real fast. Yep. And people identify with it. And the people that identify with it, like, yeah, we all have some form of trauma. Some people have. And trauma is more of your perception of what happened.'cause two people can experience the same thing and one person can be traumatized and one cannot be correct. And so for like me, I know that I remember the first time I was told, oh you have, you have Complex PTSD. I was like, oh well how do I work on this? And there wasn't really an answer. It was just like, I'm just gonna be traumatized for life. So like, are we all just sitting out here waiting?'cause everyone's gonna be traumatized at some point. Mm-hmm. So then are we just kind of screwed the second it happens? Because that's what I really thought. I was like, wow, so am I just unlucky now? And I was like, I'm not gonna be a victim to this. This is not, I am, I'm gonna learn from this. And it was, you know, as I've learned from it. I don't say I have it. I say I've working through it, or I have worked through it. Because if I identify myself and say I have trauma, well, we all have trauma, and we all have had childhoods. Maybe that weren't ideal. Some were probably horrible, more horrible than others, but so much of it is that we're not special in our traumas. These are things that we experienced and we can do one of two things. We can sit in'em and we can identify with them, or we can grow from them. And I, I, I choose, I've always choose the growth aspect. I sit and marinate a little bit. I mean, don't get me wrong. There have been plenty of times where I went through my healing journey of, you know, cancer, divorce, COVID hitting, and my ex father-in-law was like a father and me all within one year, like losing him to cancer. I was like, I didn't, I was so stripped from my identity, I had no idea who I was. Yeah. And so didn't have any of these skills. I've never felt so vulnerable in my life, which is the awakening, the textbook awakening process. I, I needed it. Yeah. I mean, I am, and it was funny'cause it was ha all happened during COVID, so I couldn't go anywhere. Mm-hmm. I initially wanted to be like, I just wanna go out and date and travel and just like forget about everything but the universe or God put a mirror in front of you. It was like, oh hell no. You sit back down. Yeah. And I didn't realize what such a gift that was. Mm-hmm. But I think that. We're going through this collective shift right now in society and or in the, in the world. Mm-hmm. And the, and we're seeing it, but you see people don't have these tools. So that's why you see the people that are really struggling don't realize that there's this whole other aspect of how to look at things and how to communicate and how to understand because they're not ready, because they're, well, they're not not ready. But also I think some people are, they just don't know the resources. And then, yeah, there's plenty of people that aren't ready. But that's been my life. So there's, I dunno if you've seen this video, there's a really cool video on over YouTube over the years, but I think it was a white gym teacher and there was all like kinds of kids, like different like races, minorities and white kids. Mm-hmm. And he said, okay, I'm gonna give you like a hundred dollars or$200 for any kid who like crosses this line at the 50 yard line. Everyone's gonna stay at the gold line and take one giant step forward if your parents are still. To, you know, a third still together, take one. If you've never been on welfare and this, this, this, and it's a really good video, and they show that, oh, I love that video. But the way I, like, I'm a minority and there's no, I grew up in a ghetto, you know? Yeah. I'm, I was one of those kids on the goal line. Yeah. But there's, in the world of success, there's only solutions and excuses. People that will learn the deeper spiritual lesson. Yeah. From this and profit. Yeah. Or people that will do this and they'll make other people miserable. And I feel like, I like that. I liked that video that you were saying. I know you, you might've had a different opinion on it about raising up the flag and being like showing somebody like the level playing field, right? Mm-hmm. And like the kids that had their cell phones paid for that never had to worry about money and never worried about food. Yeah. They ran to the end and then they looked back and maybe it was a realization for them. But the, I guess the point is, yeah, the, the playing field might not be level, but that's still not an excuse, right? Never. But also I recognize I have privileges in my life and I have things that were not privileges. And so we all have something where. But being in America is a privilege over 97% of the world. Like Totally. But being a woman, even though I'm white, I'm oppressed'cause I'm a woman. Right? And it's like, okay. But if I constantly go through those, those goggles of I'm an oppressed woman. Yeah. I'm still gonna fight for my rights. Hell yeah. But if I just go all the time and be like, yeah, well I just, you know, I'm a female owned business, so like nobody, you know, people don't support me'cause I'm female owned. Okay, well then I'm gonna keep attracting that. Yes. But instead I'm gonna say, oh yeah, that this, this sucks. It's a downside. Yeah. You know? But I know white men get shit on all the time. And I'm like, well, I. Uh, like there's stuff that comes with being a white man in the US that's considered privileged. It's like there's other stuff that goes with that too. So nobody is, is, um, nobody is free of this. Like, we're in this human experience and we have to figure out how to get out of our unconscious brain to get to our high highest self. And yes, we can recognize and understand, yeah, these are, these are negatives, but where are the positives that we have? Yeah. And like to, it's like only two choices do you focus on what you want or what you don't want. Mm-hmm. Because whatever you focus on, we only get more of period. Exactly. So it's like the whole victim or the poverty, it's like, so I grew up in poverty. Cool. What's my solution? Like, I, I had these limitations, a, d, d and deathly ill multiple times and all that stuff. Um, but it's just like, so what do I do with this? Mm-hmm. Like, I just always had that in me. It's like, I'd rather die before I fail. Like, if I don't have a watch, but I check my whoop strap, but like, oh, there's still time on the clock. I'm still alive. So there's still, you know, different things. And it's just that whole victim mentality I just moved away from If people wanted to do that, they can, like, we're in a free country, go ahead and be a victim. I'm gonna go over here and look for success. It's a choice. Yeah. And I did, and I'm just really grateful I, you know, I did to be able to help people. But that's the whole thing is like, um, you, you talked about those four really big things that happen in a year in the spiritual world. There's a saying that suffering is the greatest catalyst for awakening. So when I say those people aren't ready, I usually say they're either not ready or they haven't suffered enough and gotten bad. Yeah. It's like a boiling, like they need to be like, has to get worse. Because, because it's, um, very, very few people that I've encountered, I'm still early in my spiritual journey, but. Because it's been about a year of me really waking up to all this.'cause there's a lot of stuff shifting. Once you can, you really, I mean, the start of it was five years ago, but, or almost six years ago, but like really diving in, you know, the last year is just that there's, there's just this, um, there's just this piece of it where it doesn't come from wisdom. Like, I mean, there are certain people I think that are old souls and they've been here many times and maybe they naturally know things a bit more, but for the majority of us, we have to experience some extreme amount of pain. Like a pressure, like a, making a diamond, right? Mm-hmm. It takes an extreme amount of pressure to make a diamond, but everybody wants the diamond, but they don't want the pressure. Yeah. You know, and you see this in business too. Everybody wants, you know, to make millions and millions, right. That's why everyone's trying to get famous on TikTok. And it's like, okay, but. You know, but you have to still do the work to get to that point. But people don't want to do the work. Mm-hmm. But then they wanna complain about not having the results. And I can't, I physiologically cannot be have those types of people in my inner circle in any capacity. Anybody that works for me, anybody that I'm friends with, anybody that I associate with, I can't. Oh geez. And that was so much of me weeding out like that the last six years. And it was painful and a lot of grief. Yeah. But what's it like now? Oh, it's wonderful. Freedom. Freedom. Mm-hmm. It's freedom, but it's like this. It's a divisive energy that wants to keep people victim focusing a negative focus on what they don't want. And it, it's, it's basically what it says. We don't want you to be free, but we don't want you to leave. You know what we're doing. That's what the energy says. And it takes a really strong person to break through that and it will say like, no one's gonna love you. You're gonna be alone, this, this, this. And you're like, well, I'm gonna have my own back. Like, I'm still gonna do the journey. And then you get away from it and see, then it's just like you can breathe. Mm-hmm. It's like the issue was this energy, the issue wasn't, whatever it was saying it was gonna be. And so actually that's just a personal journey that everyone needs to take. And nobody can force. You can't force growth, can't force transformation. Person has to be ready. And just, that's, it's not even a bad thing. It's just suffering needs to like, okay, let's, the univers says let's keep going up higher, higher, higher. Until like, until you submit, like old school wrestling, tap out. It's like, yeah, I'm out. And I get it. I get stop, stop, stop. Now I want help because not even the divine can help people if their ego's resisting. Mm-hmm. Not even God. The divine presence can even help them. It can't.'cause we have that free will. Totally. We have the ability to reject the, the divine presence. Our source, what we, we, we created from. And when people do that, like suffering only happens far away from the divine period. So then once people like finally submit, which I did, and it's just you did, it's just what happens and there's levels and processes, but then that's when the divine presence instantly comes in. It's like it's crazy when you can accept it. And it, to me, it's not even a religion. It's more of a, just a higher sense of. Something greater than us that truly loves us. And there's, there's meant for more. And, and we're meant to be here to break through all these barriers to tap into our highest self. Mm-hmm. And it's like, but people aren't ready to hear it. And so it's just some people, yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Some people aren't ready to hear it, and I'm not here to convince those people. Mm-hmm. And I'm, I'm, you know, I'm a PT coming out talking like this, this is not common for PTs to be open and practicing and talking this way. And I am willing to be the trailblazer with this to help pave the way. So it's easier for other PTs to be able to,'cause they're seeking. I see it and I see a lot of women. That are like in their forties approaching perimenopause and the things that, the coping mechanisms that they use before perimenopause, they're not working anymore. What kind of things? Like sometimes it will just be like over exercising or drinking or chucking coffee or just kind of numbing out, binge watching things or whatever. Like those things like maybe they helped like a little bit back then, or they thought it was helping. Mm-hmm. Um, but what's that? Forties are different. Yeah. But forties are different.'cause your hormones start shifting. Like, I just found out I'm at perimenopause and I'm like, oh, I can't, I can't rely on caffeine. I can't, I, I can't even drink at all. Mm-hmm. And um, it's, it's interesting'cause now then you're exposed to, well I have to actually look at my shit now. Mm-hmm. And when you have to look at your shit and you don't have those things, it's really. It's really tough and I've, I've seen it in a lot of like heterosexual couples where then the, the partner, like the, the man is like still doing the old stuff and the woman's like, I'm not doing this anymore. So you see, I've been seeing a big divide around like the forties or fifties where women are like, I, I can't, I can't do this. And then there's this chronic kind of dissociation from the, the male side. And I think that's, I think that's a systemic thing that we've taught men too, like from a cultural standpoint. Like, hey, don't have emotions. Be a man. You know? And so then we're blaming them for not being able to open. And so you've got so much of this disconnect. And I don't believe men are inherently bad. I don't think women are, I don't think anybody is inherently evil. I think that we're constantly just trying to. Communicate and if we don't have these communication skills, and so now if you're a practitioner and you're having trouble at home, yeah. How can we show up with clients? And so we start running into these deeper rooted things of, okay, well we have to learn about ourselves first. Yeah. And that's what I keep saying. And so that's why a lot of therapy doesn't work because a therapist, a coach, or wherever you fill in the blank of, uh, even you, you said like, I'm not doing things. Why am I so different? Because you care. Mm-hmm. Because you had, like with your brother, whatever experiences you've had in life, like you, like, it's, you reach deep and within to be able to help it. It's part of your purpose. Mm-hmm. That's not for a majority of people in business. That's, that's not what it's, that's not what it's like. But any, let's just say a therapist, um, or any counselor, a therapist can only help somebody their patient to the level of depth they go on with themselves and transformed. And it doesn't work. If I wanna help people and go to school, and I don't wanna do any work on myself, but I'm gonna help other people. Well, that's their trauma response. Yeah. That's their trauma. Their trauma response is, well, I'm, I don't want anyone to feel the way I'm feeling, so I'm gonna go be a psychotherapist, or I'm gonna go be a bt. But now we're not healing why we became a PT in the first place.'cause I would dissociate be like, well, I'm gonna take care of everybody else. Mm-hmm. Because that's my identity now. Mm-hmm. And then I got sick. Spot on. Yep. And so we all have our profe, I believe a lot of us, we have our professions. If we haven't done this work before, which most people haven't choose them based on some type of like compensation. And that's an interesting point because there's a difference between masculine and feminine energy. A lot of people in the collective conscious thing, masculinity is equals male and feminine. Equals female. Oh yeah. It's not every human being has both. Yeah. The, the head is masculine for everybody. Mm-hmm. The heart is feminine. The left brain is masculine. The right brain's feminine. Like our, our skin is more, the masculine inside the organs is feminine, so. Most like even like women that do that, like women who don't get an environment of like balance, become more disconnected masculine.'cause if no one's gonna do it for me, I gotta do it myself. Yeah. I can't rely on people. Yeah. You see that a lot. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So what would you say, because there's a lot of women dealing with this right now, and they're in healing spaces as well, and they're struggling in their relationships. So how, how can they, like, what could be like one thing that helps them just, you know, what, what would you say to help them if they're in that boat? If they're like, what? Well, if I was talking to somebody, it'd be more personal and technical. But if somebody's watching this, I would say the first step is awareness. Mm-hmm. You have to be aware that you are, yes you are a woman, but you're acting more, not manly. Disconnected masculine.'cause masculine is, there's connected masculine, disconnected masculine. There's connected feminine. Disconnected feminine. So connected masculine is like providing, and men and women can provide, but it's providing, it's protecting, um, it's doing, but there's overdoing, which is disconnected masculine. There's, um, like lashing out and things like that. But feminine, so connected feminine is like, the feeling, the nurturing, disconnected, feminine is like too emotional, like crying from everything and like narcissist, like, you did this to me. Have you ever seen the Sopranos? Um, I haven't Tony, so, but I know Narcissist, Tony Soprano's mom was like, oh, Tony, you did this. You're the worst. And Tony, so very, yeah. So, so, but the first thing is awareness. Yeah. So they have to be aware, like if, like a woman watching, so if that you are a woman and you're, you're operating and behaving from disconnected masculine energy, where is that coming from? There's an imbalance and you haven't got your needs met. Where's that coming from? It's not even psychological, it's just true. It comes from your parents. Either your dad was too disconnected or your mom was disconnected. Like people think like, oh, it's a dad thing. So psychology might be everybody blames dudes now. Like it's always the dude's fault, which is disconnected masculine energy. There's so many wonderful men in this world shitting on toxic masculinity. Ah, I see. That's, I'm saying. So people think toxic. That's not feminism, that's just, that's just toxic. Yeah. No, it's disconnected. It's. I think people are confusing the two. Yeah.'cause people think feminine equals women. It doesn't. Mm-hmm. We all have the energy. Yeah. It's like, it's like sun in the moon. Do we all have aspect to the sun in the moon? The sun is masculine, the moon is feminine. Do we all have aspect to it? Yes. It's not like women can only see the moon and men can only see the sun. Men can only go out during the day. That's what people are saying., Men go on a day. Women can only go at night. Well, that makes no sense. Yeah. So it's the same thing as men are masculine. So there's, there's, well, there's a lot of like weaker men on the planet too. Oh yeah. That's disconnected masculine energy. Yeah. Well, it's also then what's happening with the dude that's disconnected.'cause what you're, you're seeing is just kinda this epidemic of, of disconnected men holding in their emotions, being angry, disconnecting from their families, and then overworking. So you see that? Mm-hmm. That's just like, that's like the very standard thing. I mean, not every man and just Correct clarifying. Yeah. But when we're looking at common themes that I see in my practice, in my social circles, and my friends and my family, like all these different things, these are common themes that I see. Mm-hmm. And so what, how would you explain the disconnect? Like that? It's kind of the same thing. I. So in collective consciousness, mostly through religion, people teach that, um, God is a he. And at best, like if, like I have no problem if the whole planet said like God is a, a, he no problem. But I would say at a hundred, at, at best, you're only getting 50%. So then some people say, no, God's a she, God's a woman, the goddess, and all this cool beings. You're only getting 50% of the best. The God, the divine presence. It's like two sides of the same coin. There's the divine masculine and the divine feminine called the divine parents. But a lot of religion, like even in like Christianity or it's all Catholicism. Well, the fathers son the Holy Ghost. Yeah. Where the real trinity actually is the divine father. It's like a, it's an upside down pyramid. The divine father, the divine mother and the child. Yeah. That means you, that's insert everybody. That's the relationship. So a lot of people, they, the way you relate to your parents. Consciously or unconscious, the way you relate to the divine. So if people that don't have a great relationship with their parents, they don't have a great relationship with God, um, people that have issues with abusive father, then oh, it's, I like the mother side. You know, there's nothing wrong with it, but you can actually ask the divine mother to help heal your relationship with, with your father, which actually to do that. But that's the thing as people are watching, it's the same thing, but, but inverse where like, and the other thing too is a lot of times, like with religion or spirituality, like we use cars for example. Could a human beings like fully agree upon one car to use? No. Could we? Every single microphone, would that work for everything? Would every single size of clothes so I can keep going on? No two snowflake have ever been the same. No. Two thumbprints, no two leaves have ever been the same. No. Two molecules and atoms. How is it that the whole species could relate to God one way? Impossible. It won't work anything like gen gen. Like if, if I say like the whole species, like this is God, everyone has to believe this way, it wouldn't work for anybody else. There is only the one presence. It's not one is singular as separate. It's one is all that is. But the only way it actually works for people is if people have a personal relationship. Meaning like the way you relate to it's the same presence, but you relate to it in a way that it won't work for anybody else. Almost like a key. It's like your key to your house works and it doesn't work in any other house. That's the same thing. So people need to heal their relationship with the, the divine.'cause a lot of people that like atheists, the only reason why atheists exists is because they've been hurt before and they blame God. That's what an atheist is. Oh yeah. I mean, I, I that's, it was an atheist for a long time. Um,'cause I was pushed to Catholicism and, and, and in my, nobody that I had met could explain why. We did the things that we did. Mm-hmm. And they would react negatively. Yep. And I was just divisive energy. Yeah. And I was like, if somebody would've sat and taught me, maybe I would've stayed that way. But nobody taught me, nobody could explain it. Mm-hmm. Nobody could sit down and be like, this is what we believe and this is why it was met with anger. Yeah. And, and resentment. And lashing out and punish divisive energy in religion, which is the opposite of God and the divine. Which is so funny'cause you see this like everywhere and not everywhere, but like in a lot of places it's not in every church or whatever, but it is in churches. It is in religion. Not everyone's, it's in schools. It's in offices. Yeah. Its in. And you can't ask these questions. You can't ask and understand these, these things and understand why without the reactivity. I didn't know any of this stuff existed, but if I am going into, um, like the community that I'm at and I'm asking the leaders in the community and they can't tell me I'm, I'm not gonna respond to that. Like, I, I, I, correct. Oh yeah, yeah. I'm like, okay. So you go to a different circle. A better circle. Yeah. Go to a different circle. And, and then just seeing how, how. People handled it. But I guess my point is more of what you were saying about when people aren't getting along with their family and, and, and then that relationship with their parents. I do think though that it's, it's funny because I've had a tough relationship with my family for a long time. I've resented them for pushing religion on me. And, and, um, as I've healed a lot of things that I've been working through or healing, So I think there's just like a constant kind of ever evolving. Um, once I really started diving more into, like, understanding my highest self and realizing that I do have inner gifts, I, I was put on this planet for a reason. Everything that happened to me was, happened to me for a reason. And, um. Hmm. And in that then I could pull back and, and release the anger with my parents and be like, my dad was just doing what he thought was best because of the information he had at the time. Right. And like, it, it, it just allowed me to like, forgive my, my family and forgive my parents. And that doesn't mean that we have a perfect relationship though. Yeah. Like, I think it's also something that I feel like to clarify because if somebody, somebody might already be struggling with their parents and working to build a relationship with God and then not be able to have that, that, that doesn't mean they're not maybe connected. Maybe their relationship in how they think about them is different. But you can't change that other person though. Say if, if we weren't in a good spot, there's still this piece of coming to terms with something with somebody maybe that you, you like hurt you in the past, but like they're not changing. So how can you look at it in a different way or work with your spiritual aspect of yourself to see it in a different light because you can't change somebody else. Correct. But you can change the way you feel about somebody else. Exactly. Exactly. I think that's a, a good distinction of it though, because. A lot of people blame themselves because they can't get their parents or their partner or somebody to see things in a way that they would like them to see. But it's so much of reframing, well, yeah, those things happened, but also how can we look at this in a different light? Mm-hmm. And, and, and add empathy. It's just, but if you stay in that and you hold that resentment mm-hmm. That eats at you for life. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well I think the one big lesson that people need to hear, there's only gonna be two kinds of teachers you in your life. Mm-hmm. Period. There's direct teachers and there's indirect teachers. Direct teachers teach you and show you what to do in life. Indirect teachers show you and teach you what not to do. Oh yeah. And the lack of distinction and differentiation between'em both will cause a lot of suffering.'cause it's like people, like the indirect teachers are equally as important as a direct teacher. So people like come up and smack you in the face and you don't like it. Okay, well then maybe you learn about situational awareness. Maybe you need to distance yourself from that per whatever that is. But the whole thing is like, in certain things in life, somebody cuts you off. Well, maybe you just let more people go by or take a different road, or it's just, there's always something to learn. But uh, yeah, to the degree we don't learn the lesson, we keep repeating the teachers. Yeah. I love that because that's a big piece too. Like when I'm going through something heavy, you know, it's, there's, there's like really bad things that happen in the world, and I'm not saying that happened for a reason, but the way that I can look at it is be like, okay, well that horrible thing happened, but what have I learned from it? And how can I take and put something, some light into the world from that horrible experience? And I'm not gonna be this person that says, though, that needed to happen. So you had to have something horrible happen to you. I, I do not say that, right? It's more of what, what is this supposed to teach me? What am I supposed to learn from this? You know, because there's a lot of suffering. Suffer. I believe suffering is a choice. There's a lot of pain. But in the pain is each time I go through something really painful, um,'cause I'll have people be like, how are you still going, Mary? How? Like, and then, you know, on top of all that, you know, my brother passing, I had a friend pass away tragically, you know, last year and, and just so many things over and over and over. And it's like, well,'cause I'm, they're not like,'cause it's the way I am looking at them. Like, I still connect to my brother. I still connect to my friends. I, I still connect to people that have passed. Yeah. Because I believe their souls are still here. Mm-hmm. I just, they're not physically here. They're not physical. Yeah. And they're not physical anymore. But also these different things push me to evolve to become somebody that I wouldn't have been otherwise. Anyways, so, well, thanks so much for coming on. Is there anything, um, let's, if you wanna explain a little bit about your program so people can understand where they can find you as well and Yeah, so we have, uh, our website, intro awareness.com and we only, we kind of like two different aspects of our business, so we really help people one-on-one to solve. The problems or whatever. They're struggling in life and they tried everything else, then nothing works. We actually help them to do it in a very short, reasonable amount of time. We help, you know, entrepreneurs too as well, get the maximum output from what they're here to do and really fulfill their purpose. But then we also have this training. I've been doing this for 26 years and worked with, like I said, over 7,000 clients. So I'm such a systems person and like I don't like to reinvent the wheel over, over and over. So we put this really beautiful program of like neurolinguistic psychology with the holistic way and we teach people like systematically step per step. Like how actually how the mind works, the difference, the anatomy of the unconscious mind. There's anatomy of the body, but I created an anatomy of the unconscious mind.'cause it's, the mind is not physical. No one's, no one will ever see it. But we actually walk people through to learn how they can become a better communicator. A better leader. Understand how the mind works and understand how meaning people put meaning to things.'cause we talked about trauma and triggers and things. The, the reality is whatever happened isn't an issue.'cause it's gone in the past. The only thing that's holding onto it is the perception is the programs. That's what gets repeated. That's what causes the trauma. It's not what happened, it's the carryover of what happened synthetically. The mind put its meaning to it. So if a person wants to learn how to do it from themselves or other people, that's what we walk people through. And it just, it's such an addition to any practice. Um, people could actually do this instead of their practice. I know like there's been massage therapists or other people in the past that to get to a certain age and like, it's just, it's hard work their hands. Yeah. And if you can actually help people linguistically with physical things without even touching them or doing extra work, it's great. So it's such an addition. Um, I started that myself. I did integrated personal training. I started working with people. And correcting things physically, and I can only go so far. Then I started going over to the psychological and it released it very quickly and I just, I, I did'em both together. So it is the way to go. Like you said, you're doing such a great job of kind of leading a, a wave for the, for the PT and kind of trail brazing, so that's gonna be really huge to be able to like just open up people's eyes to that. And I really appreciate what you're doing and Oh, thank you. It's scary. I've had to sit a lot in my nervous system and feel the expansion and allow the criticism to come if and when it comes, you know, I mean, the criticism comes anywhere. Um, and then, but I don't care. You know, it's like, it's this, uh, really cool wave that I think we're seeing in healthcare especially. I think PTs are gonna be the first wave and honestly any movement professional, um, because. If you've been in it long enough, they know that what we've learned is in explaining everything. Yeah. And so, um, yeah. I'll put all your information in there and so they can get in touch with you. Yeah. And yeah, I don't wanna keep supporting you and I'll support anybody else, you know, any of your people, any PT out there that's watching and they really want to at least have a complimentary conversation to see what we do and how it can be really beneficial for them. We would absolutely love to. Awesome. Talk to that. And there's a guy named Sean Ryan. I dunno if you've heard of the Sean Ryan podcast. He's in Austin, but he does at the beginning. He actually, he does, he's the host. He does gifts. But I wanted to bring a gift for your podcast. Oh, you, that's why you brought in the, the bag. Yeah. Oh. Do you eat eggs? I do. Okay. Yeah. So I get you two dozen of these. Oh, these are WR ranch eggs. So these are really beautiful. They're unwashed. And they're unrefrigerated. You can refrigerate'em, just wash'em before.'cause when they, there's a, they do it in Europe, but there's like a plume on it just naturally that comes off. So just wash it beforehand. Beautiful. 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This is awesome. Well, thank you so much. Absolute. Absolutely. That was really sweet. Thank you so much for listening to my podcast. It would be a huge help if you could subscribe and rate the podcast. It helps us reach more people and make a bigger impact. I would also love it if you could join my email list, which is LinkedIn, the caption for podcast updates, upcoming offers and events. You can also find me on TikTok, YouTube and Instagram at Dr. Mary pt. Thanks again.